Subject: Sri Vijaya dasami- Sri Ramacandra Vijaya Utsava and Sripad Madhvacarya Avirbhava tithi [appearance day of Madhva Acarya]
Sri Vijaya dasami- Sri Ramacandra Vijaya Utsava. Tuesday, October 8, 2019
[Mayapura, West Bengal, India time]
Srila Prabhupada explains the pastimes of Lord Ramacandra
compiled by Narasimha dasa and Yasoda nandana dasa
Srila Prabhupāda: No, special observance means to discuss about the life and works of …then October, Vijayā–daśamī, appearance date of Śrīla Madhvācārya, and the victory day of Lord Rāmacandra. So there is no fasting, but in the evening we should celebrate some feasting and discuss about the life and works of Śrī Madhvācārya as well as Rāmāyaṇa incidents where Rāma and Rāvaṇa fought. Devotee: Thank you Prabhupāda. (end) Srila Prabhupada conversation, Vrindavana, Uttara Pradesh, India, March 11, 1972
Devotee: …engagement, one devotee commented that the reason that Lord Rāma worshiped Lord Śiva was because He wanted to kill Rāvaṇa and Rāvaṇa was a devotee of Śiva, so Lord Rāma worshiped Śiva in that respect.
Devotee: He said that because Lord Śiva was, ah, excuse me, Rāvaṇa was a devotee of Lord Śiva, that in order that Lord Rāmacandra could kill Rāvaṇa, He worshiped Śiva.
Devotee:: He wanted to take permission of him, so they say. Rāma wanted to take permission from Śiva…
Srila Prabhupāda: So, Śiva is so rascal that he gave permission? That means they are trying to prove Śiva is a rascal. (devotees laugh) Because he gave permission to kill his devotee. Then what is the use of his, of one becoming Śiva’s devotee? If such a rascal that one can take his permission to kill his devotee, so what is the use of becoming a devotee of such a rascal? Huh?
Srila Prabhupāda: Huh? What is that? That means that proving that Śiva is a rascal. He gave permission to kill his devotee. Then what is the use? Then nobody should become Śiva’s devotee. That is the conclusion. Because he gives permission to somebody else to kill his devotee. They are trying to prove Lord Śiva is a rascal. What do you think? Huh? If I want your permission, please give me your permission, I shall kill your son, and if you say, “Yes, I give my permission,” then are you not a rascal? By this example they are making Lord Śiva a rascal, that he has no common sense even.
Srila Prabhupāda: No, if this proposition is there, that Lord Śiva gives permission for killing his devotee, then who will become his devotee? Huh? Is it not?
Srila Prabhupāda: No sane man will become his devotee. All the manufactured foolish statements, just see. Any commonsense man will immediately say, “Then Śiva is a rascal; he cannot give protection to his devotee.” What do you think? Huh?
Devotee: Of course, Śrīla Prabhupāda, does one have to give protection to their devotee if they break the law? Just like if you have a child, and he murders someone, isn’t he supposed to be punished? So, if someone goes against the Supreme Personality of Godhead, even if you are a devotee, shouldn’t Śiva concur?
Srila Prabhupāda: No, no. That is another thing. This proposal, that because Lord Rāmacandra approached Lord Śiva to kill Rāvaṇa, and he gave permission, although Rāvaṇa was his great devotee. Then what is the use of becoming devotee of Lord Śiva? He gives permission. Huh? Is that very reasonable proposal? If I ask your permission that I shall kill your son, will you give permission? No. Then? So, Lord Śiva gives permission to Lord Rāmacandra, “Yes, You can kill Rāvaṇa,” then what is the use of becoming his devotee?
Harikeśa: It’s not fair. You have completely destroyed the opposition. (Prabhupāda laughs) There is no question of fight.
Srila Prabhupāda: The actual fact is that Lord Śiva did not give permission, but he did not go to protect Rāvaṇa, because he knew that it was impossible to give him protection. That is summarized in Bengali, rākhe kṛṣṇa māre ke, māre kṛṣṇa rākhe ke. If Kṛṣṇa kills somebody, wants to kill somebody, nobody can give him protection. That is the conclusion. And if Kṛṣṇa protects somebody, nobody can kill him. Just like Prahlāda Mahārāja. Huh? He was protected by Lord Nṛsiṁhadeva. Who can kill?
Srila Prabhupāda: Huh?
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. You must try, when your son is in danger, you must try. That is natural. That is not uncommon. You can save or not save, that is a different thing. But it is your duty, if somebody is under your protection, you must try to save him, even at the risk of your life. That is real protector.
Devotee: Do you have plans, Śrīla Prabhupāda, to comment on Rāmāyaṇa in future?
Srila Prabhupāda: Hm? First of all, finish my Bhāgavatam, then we shall talk of other things. Srila Prabhupada morning walk conversation , Bombay, Maharashtra, India, December 23, 1975
Subway from Ceylon to Brazil.
South American civilization
Anecdotes from Kuruksetra war
Devotee (1): Just like Rāvaṇa could not reach the heavenly planets just by building the staircase.
Srila Prabhupāda: That was his only demonic proposal, that “We make staircase.” He said that “Why you are undergoing so much austerities to go to the heavenly planets? I shall make a staircase. You will go.”
Amogha: How high did he make it?
Srila Prabhupāda: He never attempted. He simply bluffed, that’s all. So, demons’ proposals are like that. Therefore it is a common say in, hearsay in the, in India, that rāvaṇe sarge sini(?): “The proposal is just like Rāvaṇa proposed to make a staircase to the heavenly planets.” He was also very much advanced materially, very prosperous materially. Gold was very common thing. He brought gold from Brazil through the subway. His brother was king there, in southern America.
Srila Prabhupāda: No, Mahīrāvaṇa. Mahī, mahī means the earth. He used to go through the subway, through the earth. So other side there was another Rāvaṇa. That is Mahīrāvaṇa.
Paramahaṁsa: Well, they found some parts of a subway there, some big tunnel. But they don’t know where it goes, though.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. That is from Ceylon to Brazil, subway. And Rāvaṇa’s civilization, Rāmacandra’s fight, some millions of years ago. That is in the Tretā–yuga. The duration of Kali–yuga is about, say, four lakhs of years. And Dvāpara–yuga, eight lakhs of years. And then Tretā–yuga, twelve lakhs of years.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. No, why? Twenty lakhs, ah, two million, yes. Two million of years ago the Rāvaṇa’s civilization was there, and he was so prosperous. He had airplane. The zeplin, zeplin?
Amogha: Jet plane?
Amogha: Oh, with the air and gas inside.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. His son’s name was Meghadūta. He was flying above the cloud. Therefore, his name was Megha. Megha means cloud. They were so much advanced in civilization.
Paramahaṁsa: What kind of civilization was in South America at that time?
Srila Prabhupāda: The same like. Therefore, these Mexicans, South American, they resemble therefore almost Indian body.
Amogha: They also eat food… They eat a food similar to the cāpāṭi.
Paramahaṁsa: In Tehran we saw those big cāpāṭis.
Paramahaṁsa: Six feet long.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes, so big. One cāpāṭi is sufficient for the whole family. They are sold in market, purchased.
Paramahaṁsa: Only three or four cents apiece.
Prabhupāda: They don’t make much profit. That is the oriental culture. They make little profit; they are satisfied. Still in India you will find many hotel, very cheap, very cheap. Especially Mohammedan hotels. Still, by paying eight annas, you can get full meal.
Devotee (1): When Rāvaṇa was on the earth, was the whole earth populated, like Brazil and also the other parts of the world?
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. Everywhere population. This is a new theory of the rascals that there was no civilization before three thousand years. This is wrong theory. Everything was there.
Devotee (1): So, when Mahārāja Yayāti banished his sons to those kingdoms, they were already populated there.
Srila Prabhupāda: And during Kurukṣetra fight, all different kings joined, either to this party or that party.
Amogha: Oh, from all over the world.
Srila Prabhupāda: It was first-grade world war, Kurukṣetra. There is the one king, Śaibya, he came from Śibiya. Where is Śibiya?
Amogha: Oh, Śibiya? That’s Africa.
Srila Prabhupāda: No, maybe there. There were… All the kings of the world, they joined, either this party or that party. Friends, friendly countries, they joined. Just like Kṛṣṇa. He personally joined Arjuna, but He gave His soldiers to Duryodhana. It was family war. So, the friends divided, “I will join you.” It was sporting. For the kṣatriya fighting is sporting. They have football match. They did not take it as enmities. Just in the evening they are friends. This party goes to that party, that party goes to… It is a decision, who will be king, that’s all. Test of strength. Actually, it was not enmity. “Let us fight, and who is strong he will be king, that’s all.”
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. Anyone who dies in such fight, he goes to heavenly planet. Srila Prabhupada morning walk conversation, Perth, Australia, May 16, 1975
Srila Prabhupada describes Lord Ramacandra’s purpose
Devotee: Why was He permitting him to live there? He was irreligious. He did not trust in God. Why was Lord Rāma letting him…?
Srila Prabhupāda: No, no. He was killed therefore. He was not allowed to live there. Therefore Rāmacandra went there to kill him. “You rascal. You must be killed.” Why do you say that he was allowed?
Srila Prabhupāda: For sometimes every thief flourishes. That is another thing. But he must be punished.
Srila Prabhupāda: You can cheat for some time everyone, but you cannot be allowed to cheat everyone for all the time. That is not possible. [break] …law. Therefore Lord Rāmacandra could create millions of Sītā. So, the purpose was to kill this atheist. Srila Prabhupada morning walk conversation Los Angeles, California, USA, December 9, 1973
Lord Ramachandra gave the Sri Lanka kingdom to Vibhisana
But they do not know what is good. They encroach upon others’ property for their personal sense gratification. Otherwise, if for the good of the local people somebody, some (indistinct), just like the Aryans, they conquered over many islands or places, but that was for the good of them. Just like the Pāṇḍavas, they also ruled over, but the Pāṇḍavas were God conscious devotees and they made everyone enlightened in God consciousness. That kind of encroachment. Just like Lord Rāmacandra went to Ceylon, or Lanka, and conquered over it, because Rāvaṇa was a demon. So He conquered, Lord Rāmacandra conquered over the property of Rāvaṇa, and gave it to Vibhīṣaṇa, but He did not take anything. Just like Kṛṣṇa conducted, managed this Kurukṣetra war personally, but the kingdom was given to Yudhiṣṭhira. He did not encroach. So this kind of encroachment is all right, that everyone should be Kṛṣṇa conscious, everyone should be highly elevated in spiritual life. For spreading this civilization, encroaching on others’ property is quite fit. But if one encroaches upon others’ property for self-aggrandizement, for stealing for his own sense gratification, that is sinful. Srila Prabhupada philosophy discussions with Hayagriva dasa
Srila Prabhupada describes the business of Lord Ramacandra
Srila Prabhupāda: So, your spiritual name is Rāma-rañjana. Rāma-rañjana. Rāma… One who pleases Lord Rāma, Rāmarañjana. So, by your activities you have to please Lord Rāmacandra. Yes. What was the business of Rāmacandra? To kill Rāvaṇas. (laughter) To kill all the atheists. That was the Rāmacandra‘s business, to kill Rāvaṇa. Rāvaṇa was a very powerful atheist, and he was working with the ten heads. Just like materialistic karmīs, they work very hard, and they have got good brain also for wording hard. So Rāvaṇa had ten heads. But the plan was to cheat Rāma. With all intelligence, with all brain, his only plan was how to cheat Rāma. That was his… He became a sannyāsī and he went to take some alms from Sītā. The purpose was to cheat, to enter. Because according to Vedic civilization, a sannyāsī has open door. He can even go inside. But that… He was the only sannyāsī at that time who tried to cheat. But this kind of sannyāsī or this kind of intelligent persons are killed by Rāma. They may make plan very nice to cheat Rāmacandra, but ultimately, they become vanquished with all their planning commission.
So you have to please Rāmacandra in that way, to kill all these cheaters, Rāvaṇas—those in the form of sannyāsī, in the form of priest, or religionist, (who) are trying to cheat the Lord. Their only business is, “There is no God. God is impersonal. God is void”—some way or other to say there is no God. All these propositions, “God is void,” “God is impersonal,” means indirectly to say there is no God. So, this is Rāvaṇa’s policy. And in order to please Rāmacandra, oh, we have to kill this atheist class of men who try to cheat Rāmacandra and take away His Lakṣmī, Sītā, the goddess of fortune... The materialistic persons, they are trying simply to accumulate wealth, and so they come to Rāmacandra. They want money. That is Sītā. Money is goddess of fortune. So, the materialistic persons, their policy is to take, earn money like anything, and employ it in sense gratification. That is their policy. But our policy is to take away the money from the atheist and employ it to the service of Rāmacandra. Just like Hanumān. Hanumān was fighting not for his personal. He was trying to recover Sītā from the hands of Rāvaṇa to bring her again to the side of Rāmacandra. That was his policy. So devotee’s policy should be that “These atheists, materialists, karmīs, they have taken Sītā, all the goddess of fortune, money, for their sense gratification, and we, following the footstep of Hanumān, the great devotee, Vajrāṅgajī, we have to fight with this atheist class of men, and snatch from him Sītā and place her again on the side of Rāmacandra.” So, we may make plan. As they are making plan to take away all the money, we have to also make plan to take the money from the Rāvaṇa and employ it for Kṛṣṇa. Of course, we are not going to cheat them, but our policy is pacifying him, that “Your money is not… Whatever you are thinking, your money, it is not your money. It is God’s money, Kṛṣṇa’s money. If you kindly spare for Kṛṣṇa’s service, then your life will be successful. Otherwise, you will be killed like Rāvaṇa.” This message we can convey to all the Rāvaṇas. So Rāmarañjana means find out the ways and means how to please Rāmacandra and how to vanquish the Rāvaṇas. That’s all. Srila Prabhupada letter, July 5, 1971
Sripad Madhvacarya Avirbhava Tithi