.Srila Prabhupada says — Because, what is secret? “As it is,” that’s all. No change.
- The law of interpretation is like this: when the things are not distinct, then you can interpret in your own way, I can interpret in my own way. But when the things are distinct, there is no question of interpretation.
- Prabhupāda: That’s all. (break) Before this, before this movement I started ten years ago, so many svāmīs, philosophers came in the Western country. Not a single person became a devotee of Kṛṣṇa. That is our challenge. And now you’ll find thousands and thousands. Because, what is secret? “As it is,” that’s all. No change.
- Prabhupāda: Eh? You cannot. If you have own design, don’t touch Bhagavad-gītā. You make your own design and preach otherwise. Why you take advantage of the Bhagavad-gītā? This is criminal. If you have got a different philosophy, you preach. Everyone has got the right. But why you misinterpret Bhagavad-gītā? When you take advantage of the popularity of Bhagavad-gītā and you speak nonsense, that is not good. That has murdered the whole thing. And practically we see that. Bhagavad-gītā as it is, you try to understand, you get the benefit and your life is successful. Besides that, interpretation when it is required. When things are understood directly, there is no question of interpretation. The law of interpretation is like this: when the things are not distinct, then you can interpret in your own way, I can interpret in my own way. But when the things are distinct, there is no question of interpretation.
- Ali: What is the meaning of “as it is.”
Prabhupāda: “As it is” means Kurukṣetra is Kurukṣetra, dharma-kṣetra is dharma-kṣetra. That is “as it is.”
Ali: Kṛṣṇa is Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa is Kṛṣṇa, Pāṇḍava is Pāṇḍava. That is “as it is.”
——————————————————————————————————–Prabhupāda: Eh? No difficulty. If you chant Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, where is the difficulty? That is man-manā. Apply your mind to Kṛṣṇa. Where is the difficulty? The difficulty is that we’ll not do it. That is our determination. We shall do everything, but not this. That is the difficulty. Otherwise, there is no difficulty. Everyone will teach about Bhagavad-gītā. So many things they will speak, but nobody speaks that you surrender to Kṛṣṇa. Rather, they will say Kṛṣṇa is fictitious, there was no Kṛṣṇa, there was no . . . they mislead, that’s all. And he becomes a big scholar. The more he deviates you, misguides you, he becomes a big scholar. This is going on. Is it not? There are so many scholars, politicians, philosophers, they are talking of Bhagavad-gītā. Nobody is talking that Kṛṣṇa . . . surrender to Kṛṣṇa. Am I right or wrong? They’ll say: “We have got different meaning of Kṛṣṇa.” Now, this is the position. Why different meaning of Kṛṣṇa? All the sages, all the saintly persons, they have accepted Kṛṣṇa. Just like Arjuna, when he understood Bhagavad-gītā, he immediately accepted Kṛṣṇa: paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān (BG 10.12). This is understanding of Kṛṣṇa. Sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye yan māṁ vadasi keśava (BG 10.14): “Keśava, whatever You have spoken, I take it altogether as it is.” Sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye. All fact. And they are manufacturing some meaning. How they’ll understand Kṛṣṇa? This is going on. And our this movement has become little successful . . . people give me such credit, “Swāmījī, you have done wonderful.” But I do not know what wonderful. I do not know any magic. I simply say that you accept Kṛṣṇa or Bhagavad-gītā as it is. That’s all. That is my magic. And they are accepting it. We are presenting Bhagavad-gītā as it is. We do not make any interpretation that, “Kṛṣṇa means this, Kurukṣetra means this, Pāṇḍavas means this.” No. We are presenting Bhagavad-gītā as it is. You have seen our Bhagavad-gītā?
Mr. Sahani: Yes.
Prabhupāda: That’s all. (break) Before this, before this movement I started ten years ago, so many svāmīs, philosophers came in the Western country. Not a single person became a devotee of Kṛṣṇa. That is our challenge. And now you’ll find thousands and thousands. Because, what is secret? “As it is,” that’s all. No change.
Mr. Sahani: But as it is, it is in Sanskrit, and it is very difficult to understand in the…
Prabhupāda: Not at all. What is the difficulty? Suppose
dharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetresamavetā yuyutsavaḥmāmakāḥ pāṇḍavāś caivakim akurvata sañjaya(BG 1.1)
So dharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre. Kurukṣetra is still there, and it is a dharma-kṣetra. From Vedic order, Kurukṣetra is dharma ācaret. Still, people go there by thousands and by millions as pilgrimage. So where is the difficulty dharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre (BG 1.1)? Unless you make difficulty. But as the literature is, dharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre (BG 1.1), where is the difficulty to understand it? Kurukṣetra is there and it is dharma-kṣetra. Where is the difficulty? Unless you make it difficult.
Ali: What is the meaning of “as it is.”
Prabhupāda: “As it is” means Kurukṣetra is Kurukṣetra, dharma-kṣetra is dharma-kṣetra. That is “as it is.”
Ali: Kṛṣṇa is Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa is Kṛṣṇa, Pāṇḍava is Pāṇḍava. That is “as it is.”
Ali: Kṛṣṇa explains who is.
Prabhupāda: No, first of all you have to understand. So Kṛṣṇa is explained Himself, “I am this.” Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya (BG 7.7). “There is no more superior authority than Me.” We accept it. Why you accept another authority to understand Kṛṣṇa? Kṛṣṇa says mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat (BG 7.7). So there is no difficulty as it is. But we create difficulty. If somebody asks me, “Where is your nose?” if I say, “Here is my nose.” And if I say, “No here,” (laughter) then it is difficulty. If I say directly, “Here is my nose,” then there will be no difficulty. But if I want to do like this, then it is difficulty. There is no difficulty. We have created difficulty. That is our folly. Therefore there is no result. That is the present position, that we have created difficulty in understanding Bhagavad-gītā and we Indians are now practically out of our own culture.
Mrs. Sahani: Those who don’t understand Kṛṣṇa, it’s difficult for them.
Prabhupāda: How he will understand? He creates difficulty to understand Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says, “I am the supreme authority,” and the person who heard from Kṛṣṇa, he says paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramam (BG 10.12). He accepts Kṛṣṇa as the supreme authority, Arjuna. And why we deviate? The speaker says that He is the supreme authority, and the listener, Arjuna, accepts Him. Now why we interpret? What right you have got interpretation?
Mrs. Sahani: We interpret it according to our own design.
Prabhupāda: Eh? You cannot. If you have own design, don’t touch Bhagavad-gītā. You make your own design and preach otherwise. Why you take advantage of the Bhagavad-gītā? This is criminal. If you have got a different philosophy, you preach. Everyone has got the right. But why you misinterpret Bhagavad-gītā? When you take advantage of the popularity of Bhagavad-gītā and you speak nonsense, that is not good. That has murdered the whole thing. And practically we see that. Bhagavad-gītā as it is, you try to understand, you get the benefit and your life is successful. Besides that, interpretation when it is required. When things are understood directly, there is no question of interpretation. The law of interpretation is like this: when the things are not distinct, then you can interpret in your own way, I can interpret in my own way. But when the things are distinct, there is no question of interpretation.
Mrs. Sahani: If that’s so, then we don’t understand because we don’t want to understand.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the folly. You don’t want to understand.
[Evening Darsan — August 10, 1976, Tehran]