To make things clear properly, the article is divided into 2 parts, one is that the Facebook pages posting changed quotes (which may not be changed in vedabase) and actual vedabase changes (insertion of 2nd edition revised translations in tapes)
Part 1: List of Facebook pages posting changed quotes with proofs and screenshots.
1. https://www.facebook.com/srilaprabhupada
2. https://www.facebook.com/onlyprabhupada/ 3. https://www.facebook.com/spdailyquotes4. https://www.facebook.com/EveryDaywithSP
Another Facebook page, called https://www.facebook.com/theoriginaliskcon (The Original Iskcon) posts correct transcripts with Sanskrit for almost all of the time, but in one rare occasion it is found that a verse was omitted. But mostly it does not manipulate the scripts and posts the verbatims. This page is a better source than other pages that manipulate the transcripts.
There is also this website called http://harekrishnacalendar.com/ that posts manipulated daily quotes which is also one of the sources for these Facebook pages.
Some proofs that these pages do not post original quotes:Proof 1: (showing that harekrishnacalendar.com(FB page:https://www.facebook.com/EveryDaywithSP) doesn’t post originals)
Original script:Just like in our palms there are certain marks for a particular person indicating his fame and fortune. Similarly the Supreme Personality of Godhead has got certain signs on His Lotus Feet which are unique for Him only, and they are not to be found in ordinary living entities. [Letter to Bhurijana, October 28,1969]
Pictures showing revised script:
Original script:
So our engagement should be on that point, that these people will not easily understand, so we are not going to waste time for nothing. If anybody calls for meeting and lecturing, we must charge. Yes. And if they want to hear free, they may come to our temple. Don’t become cheap. You see? My GuruMahārāja used to say that, photar kathara sei usane na(?): “If somebody becomes cheap, then nobody hears him.” Especially in this country. If you become free speaker, then he’s not taken into very seriously . [Room conversation, Montreal, October 27,1968]
Pictures showing revised script:
Most of the devotees use the posts from such pages to share among others, but it is necessary to spread an awareness about this site that its not original.
This is not just for 2 days but one can compare them with other days too. [Please look very closely to see the changes]Proof 2: Showing that these facebook pages do not use original scripts.
The left hand side shows the original transcripts and right hand side shows revised transcripts.1.LHS Source: Original audio script RHS source: FB pages using the “reference to vedabase without mentioning the version of it“. This might seem like the vedabase has changed but this needs to be found out as to who is doing what. ( For example, https://www.facebook.com/srilaprabhupada , https://www.facebook.com/onlyprabhupada/ )
1 | ORIGINAL CONVERSATION | 1 | REVISED CONVERSATION | ||
2 | 2 | ||||
3 | Prabhupāda: There is that story that one old woman, she was suffering, and she had to collect woods from the forest and sell in the market. So one day, how do you say, she was praying to Kṛṣṇa, or God, that “Kindly help me. I am in very poverty-stricken.” So one day, she was carrying that load of fuel. It fell down. So nobody was there to help him [her]. So she began to cry, “Who will help me?” So she began to pray to God, “Kindly help me.” And God came: “What do you want?” “Who are You, Sir?” “I am God.” “Kindly help me to take this burden on my head.” Yes. “All right.” [chuckles] From God, she’s asking, “Please help me to get this burden on my head.” That’s all. So everyone is going on, “Let my family be very happy, my son be married. He may… Let him be pass M.A. examination.” But it is the same thing: “Give me the burden on my head.” This is the prayer. Mūḍhāḥ. Na māṁ prapadyante mūḍhāḥ [Bg. 7.15]. The life was meant for understanding Kṛṣṇa and worship Him, and he’s asking, “Give me the burden on my head.” Therefore mūḍha, rascal, fool. He’s asking something which will never make him happy, even by merging into the effulgence, Brahman effulgence. It will never make him happy. But he does not know. Therefore he’s mūḍha, rascal. | 3 | Prabhupāda: There is that story that one old woman, she was suffering, and she had to collect woods from the forest and sell in the market. So one day, how do you say, she was praying to Krsna, or God, that “Kindly help me. I am in very poverty-stricken.” So one day, she was carrying that load of fuel. It fell down. So nobody was there to help [her]. So she began to cry, “Who will help me?” So she began to pray to God, “Kindly help me.” And God came: “What do you want?” “Who are You, Sir?” “I am God.” “Kindly help me to take this burden on my head.” Yes. “All right.” From God, she’s asking, “Please help me to get this burden on my head.” That’s all. So everyone is going on, “Let my family be very happy, my son be married. Let him pass M.A. examination.” But it is the same thing: “Give me the burden on my head.” This is the prayer. Mudhah. [Bg 7.15]. [Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons, do not surrender unto Me.]The life was meant for understanding Krsna and worship Him, and he’s asking, “Give me the burden on my head.” Therefore mudha, rascal, fool. He’s asking something which will never make him happy, even by merging into the effulgence, Brahman effulgence. It will never make him happy. But he does not know. Therefore he’s mudha, rascal. | ||
4 | Morning Walk – March 6, 1974, Mayapur | 4 | >>> Ref. VedaBase => Morning Walk – March 6, 1974, Mayapur |
1 | Original Conversation | 1 | Revised conversation | ||
2 | 2 | ||||
3 | Prabhupāda: When one becomes lusty, then one becomes lost of all intelligence. The whole world is going on on the basis of these lusty desires. This is material world. And because I am lusty, you are lusty, every one of us, so as soon as my desires are not fulfilled, your desires are not fulfilled, then I become your enemy, you become my enemy. I cannot see you are making very good progress; you cannot see me making very good progress. This is material world: envious, lusty desires, kāma, krodha, lobha, moha, mātsarya. This is the basis of this material world. | 3 | Prabhupāda: When one becomes lusty, then one becomes lost of all intelligence. The whole world is going on on the basis of these lusty desires. This is material world. And because I am lusty, you are lusty, every one of us, so as soon as my desires are not fulfilled, your desires are not fulfilled, then I become your enemy, you become my enemy. I cannot see you are making very good progress; you cannot see me making very good progress. This is material world: envious, lusty desires, kama, krodha, lobha, moha, matsarya. This is the basis of this material world. | ||
4 | 4 | ||||
5 | So he became… The training was that he was training to become a brāhmaṇa, śamo, dama, but the progress became checked on account of being attached to a woman. Therefore according to Vedic civilization, the woman is accepted as hindrance to spiritual advancement. The whole basic civilization is how to avoid the… Woman… You do not think that only woman is woman. The man is also woman. Don’t think that the woman is condemned, man is not. Woman means enjoyed, and man means enjoyer. So this feeling, this feeling is condemned. If I see one woman for enjoyment, so I am man. And if woman also sees another man for enjoyment, she is also man. Woman means enjoyed and man means enjoyer. So anyone who has got feeling of enjoyment, he is considered to be man. So here both sexes meant for… Everyone is planning, “How I shall enjoy?” Therefore he is puruṣa, artificially. Otherwise, originally, we are all prakṛti, jīva, either woman or man. This is outward dress. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, | 5 | Therefore according to Vedic civilization, the woman is accepted as hindrance to spiritual advancement. The whole basic civilization is how to avoid the Woman. You do not think that only woman is woman. The man is also woman. Don’t think that the woman is condemned, man is not. Woman means enjoyed, and man means enjoyer. So this feeling, this feeling is condemned. If I see one woman for enjoyment, so I am man. And if woman also sees another man for enjoyment, she is also man. Woman means enjoyed and man means enjoyer. So anyone who has got feeling of enjoyment, he is considered to be man. Everyone is planning, “How I shall enjoy?” Therefore he is purusa, artificially. Otherwise, originally, we are all prakrti, jiva, either woman or man. This is outward dress. We are prakrti, spiritual nature, para prakrti. The material nature is apara prakrti, and we living entities, we are trying to enjoy this prakrti. Therefore sometimes the living entity, either man or woman, he is described as purusa. Purusa means the one who keeps the feeling of becoming enjoyer. That is purusa. So this material world is prakrti and purusa. It is said in the Srimad-Bhagavatam in the instruction of Rsabhadeva, | ||
6 | apareyam itas tu | 6 | [SB 5.5.8]. [The attraction between male and female is the basic principle of material existence. On the basis of this misconception, which ties together the hearts of the male and female, one becomes attracted to his body, home, property, children, relatives and wealth. In this way one increases life’s illusions and thinks in terms of “I and mine.”] | ||
7 | viddhi me prakṛtiṁ parām | ||||
8 | jīva-bhūtāḥ mahā-bāho | ||||
9 | yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat | ||||
10 | [Bg. 7.5] | ||||
11 | The prakṛti… We are prakṛti, nature, I mean to…, spiritual nature, parā prakṛti. The material nature is aparā prakṛti, and we living entities, we are trying to enjoy this prakṛti. Therefore sometimes the living entity, either man or woman, he is described as puruṣa. Puruṣa means the one who keeps the feeling of becoming enjoyer. That is puruṣa. So this material world is prakṛti and puruṣa. It is said in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam in the instruction of Ṛṣabhadeva, puṁsaṁ striyā mithunī-bhāvam etat [SB 5.5.8]. The whole basic principle of materialistic civilization is the attachment between man and woman. Puṁsaṁ striyā mithunī-bhāva. Mithunī-bhāvam is sex. And tayor mitho hṛdaya-granthim āhuḥ: on account of this sex relationship, the man or woman is bound up. Hṛdaya-granthi. Granthi means knot, and hṛdaya means heart. So the man is thinking of the woman, and the woman is thinking of man. Hṛdaya granthim āhuḥ. Then we require material possession: ataḥ gṛha-kṣetra-sutāpta-vittair janasya moho ‘yam ahaṁ mameti [SB 5.5.8]. This is our material, conditional life. | 7 | The whole basic principle of materialistic civilization is the attachment between man and woman. On account of this sex relationship, the man or woman is bound up. Hrdaya-granthi. Granthi means knot, and hrdaya means heart. So the man is thinking of the woman, and the woman is thinking of man. Hrdaya granthim ahuh. Then we require material possession. This is our material, conditional life. | ||
12 | Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.64–65 – September 1, 1975, Vrndavana | 8 | >>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.64–65 – September 1, 1975, Vrndavana | ||
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Part 2:Actual secret vedabase changes.Vedabase transcript manipulation analysis with screenshots and videos.Proof 1:This tape should be rectified.That tape is SB lecture on 1.7.7 on April 24,1975 in which they have inserted one sentence of new revised edition.
https://youtu.be/s-NTNNVzP-IBBTI CUTTING IN SRILA PRABHUPADA’S LECTURES:https://arsaprayoga.com/2019/01/02/bbt-international-cutting-in-srila-prabhupadas-lectures/
Kindly open the above link, and watch the video, it will give you a clear idea that they have inserted 2nd edition translation in their Vedabase online version.
Proof 2:Excerpts from vedabse.io(vedabse online version that has already removed original pre 1978 books) showing that they insert post-1978 unauthorised translations even when the lectures are delivered from original books.
Excerpt 1: (https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/681213bg-los-angeles/?query=initiator+presence#bb533675)Bhagavad-gītā 2.40-45
Type: Bhagavad-gita
Date: Dec. 13, 1968
Location: Los Angeles
Addition of SB 11th canto translations which was not even translated back then.(i)So in this verse Kṛṣṇa advises Arjuna, “My dear Arjuna, these Kṛṣṇa consciousness activities, even if you achieve one percent result… What is that result? Bhakti. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra syāt [SB 11.2.42].
Excerpt 2: (https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/681030ip-los-angeles/)
Insertion of 2001 Isopanishad Edition translations. Isopanishad 2001 is almost similar to 1974 except few changes. The Isopanishad was also changed in 1974 without Srila Prabhupada’s approval and its proof can be found below.
Regarding Sri Isopanisad changes:
Yaśodā-nandana: In the Gurukula we were teaching Īśopaniṣad class to the children. So we took… [break] …Prabhupāda and the words which the recent edition of the Press is wrong. Many changes were brought. They were trying to make better English, but sometimes, to make better English, I think they were making philosophical mistakes also. There is no so much need of making so much better English. Your English is sufficient. It is very clear, very simple. We have caught over 125 changes. They’re changing so many things. We are wondering if this is necessary. I will show you today. I have kept the book.
Srila Prabhupāda: I know that these rascals are doing. What can be done? How they can be relied on? [Rascal editors conversation ,June 22,1977, Vrindavan]
Śrī Īśopaniṣad, Mantra 1 Type: Sri Isopanisad Date: Oct. 30, 1968 Location: Los Angeles
īśāvāsyam idam sarvaṁ
yat kiñca jagatyāṁ jagat
tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā
mā gṛdhaḥ kasya svid dhanam
[Īśo mantra 1]
[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]
kurvann eveha karmāṇi
jijīviṣec chataṁ samāḥ
evaṁ tvayi nānyatheto ‘sti
na karma lipyate nare
asuryā nāma te lokā
andhena tamasāvṛtāḥ
tāṁs te pretyābhigacchanti
ye ke cātma-hano janāḥ
anejad ekaṁ manaso javīyo
nainad devā āpnuvan pūrvam arṣat
tad dhāvato ‘nyān atyeti tiṣṭhat
tasminn apo mātariśvā dadhāti
tad ejati tan naijati
tad dūre tad v antike
tad antar asya sarvasya
tad u sarvasyāsya bāhyataḥ
yas tu sarvāṇi bhūtāny
ātmany evānupaśyati
sarva-bhūteṣu cātmānaṁ
tato na vijugupsate
yasmin sarvāṇi bhūtāny
ātmaivābhūd vijānataḥ
tatra ko mohaḥ kaḥ śoka
ekatvam anupaśyataḥ
sa paryagāc chukram akāyam avraṇam
asnāviram śuddham apāpa-viddham
kavir manīṣī paribhūḥ svayambhūr
yāthātathyato ‘rthān vyadadhāc chāśvatībhyaḥ samābhyaḥ
andhaṁ tamaḥ praviśanti
ye ‘vidyām upāsate
tato bhūya iva te tamo
ya u vidyāyām ratāḥ
anyad evāhur vidyayā-
nyad āhur avidyayā
iti śuśruma dhīrāṇāṁ
ye nas tad vicacakṣire
anyad evāhuḥ sambhavād
anyad āhur asambhavāt
iti śuśruma dhīrāṇāṁ
ye nas tad vicacakṣire
vidyāṁ cāvidyāṁ c yas
tad vedobhayaṁ saha
avidyayā mṛtyuṁ tīrtvā
vidyayāmṛtam aśnute
andhaṁ tamaḥ praviśanti
ye ‘sambhūtim upāsate
tato bhūya iva te tamo
ya u sambhūtyām ratāḥ
anyad evāhuḥ sambhavād
anyad āhur asambhavāt
iti śuśruma dhīrāṇāṁ
ye nas tad vicacakṣire
sambhūtiṁ ca vināśaṁ ca
yas tad vedobhayaṁ saha
vināśena mṛtyuṁ tīrtvā
sambhūtyāmṛtam aśnute
hiraṇmayena pātreṇa
satyasyāpihitaṁ mukham
tat tvaṁ pūṣann apāvṛṇu
satya-dharmāya dṛṣṭaye
Insertion of SB 1976 edition of SB 1st canto translation.
(i)
Bhagavad-gītā 10.4 Type: Bhagavad-gita Date: Jan. 4, 1967 Location: New York
“Therefore next two words after kṣamā, satyam. Satyaṁ yathā dṛṣṭy-artha-viṣayaṁ para-hita-bhāṣaṇam[?]. Satyam means you should speak the actual truth. You should not flatter. You should not flatter for sense gratification. Satyam. Satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi. In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam the definition of truth, Absolute Truth, is given there. What is that? Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]:
[O my Lord, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him.
It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmājī, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth.]
Note: It is argued that the 76 version of SB Canto 1 closely represents the Delhi Bhagavatams, but this is not the case here. With a deeper introspection, it is found that the 76 edition is considerably different from the Delhi Bhagavatam sets.
(ii)
Śrī Īśopaniṣad, Mantra 1
Type: Sri Isopanisad
Date: Oct. 30, 1968
Location: Los AngelesDṛḍha-vratāḥ means fixed up, without being tilting, tottering in any circumstances. Ahaituky apratihatā… [SB 1.2.6]
[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]
So we should not have abhorrence or attachment. Suppose we have got this microphone. But sometimes there is no microphone; we have to say, lecture, in some jungle, where there is nothing available, neither like this seat. So whatever is available, that’s all right.
1 | SB 1.2.6 1972 | 1 | SB 1.2.6 1976 | ||
2 | 2 | ||||
3 | The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted in order to completely satisfy the self. | 3 | The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self. |
Please check this comparison table above that proves the translation is from 76 editions.
Major issue of vadabase.io-Linking of every Sanskrit verse spoken by Srila Prabhupada to the translations of post 1978 editions.This issue is present in almost every transcript
For example,Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 6.1.15
Type: Srimad-Bhagavatam
Date: Aug. 1, 1971
Location: New York
There must be some reaction. Whatever you do, there must be reaction. And that reaction you’ll be entangled. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: yajñārthe karma anyatra karma-bandhanaḥ [Bg. 3.9]. Either you do good work or bad work, if it is for sense gratification, then you’ll be entangled. But yajñārthe karma, if you do for kṛṣṇa-yajña, then you are free. So this process, recommended by Śukadeva Gosvāmī—kevalayā-bhakta—take to devotional service, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and everything, all other things, will be automatically adjusted.na tathā hy aghavān rājan
pūyeta tapa-ādibhiḥ
yathā kṛṣṇārpita-prāṇas
tat-puruṣa-niṣevayā
Here references such as [Bg. 3.9] etc get linked to the Bhagavad Gita changed versions when we click on them.
This issue should be paid attention to because Srila Prabhupada always read from his first edition books and also made disciples read the verses and purports from original books. These references should not in any case be linked to the changed translations, but must be redirected to the original books.
To conclude, both part 1 and 2 address a major issue that needs to solved very quickly that is, manipulating the tapes according to one’s concoction. These issues are most of the times not detected, and it is necessary to consider the impact on the devotees who use these sources to preach everywhere. A necessary action should be taken to stop these things immediately.