Mahesh Raja [UK] re Some clarifications

 

Some clarifications:  February 27, 2017
1)July 9th 1977 is a letter addressed to To ALL G.B.C., and Temple Presidents

2) It is SPECIFIC on the TITLE of Ritviks: RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA
3) the specific duties are assigned: FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION
4) Specific instructions given to the Ritvik Representative of Acarya: ” HE NEWLY INITIATED DEVOTEES ARE DISCIPLES OF HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD…”,
5) There is NO INSTRUCTION EXCEPT the July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order for conducting 1st and 2nd initiations in the society. ONLY July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order is accepted as per Srila Prabhupada. No invention required.
5) We do not use the words “Ritvik Guru” because Srila Prabhupada has not used these words. BUT we DO use the SPECIFIC title RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA because that is the instruction to the letter July 9th 1977 addressed to To ALL G.B.C., and Temple Presidents.
6) Ritvik is REPRESENTING the Acarya so obviously that is VERY BIG responsibility REPRESENTING Srila Prabhupada. Ritvik CAN be an ADVANCED devotee giving SIKSA that confirms to our Diksa Guru Srila Prabhupada:
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Srila Prabhupada: Then so siksa and diksa-guru… A SIKSA-GURU WHO INSTRUCTS AGAINST THE INSTRUCTION OF SPIRITUAL, HE IS NOT A SIKSA GURU. HE IS A DEMON. Siksa-guru, diksa-guru means… Sometimes a diksa-guru is not present always. Therefore one CAN take learning, instruction, from an advanced devotee. That is called the siksa-guru. SIKSA-GURU DOES NOT MEAN HE IS SPEAKING SOMETHING AGAINST THE TEACHINGS OF THE DIKSA-GURU. HE IS NOT A SIKSA-GURU. HE IS A RASCAL.
6) Note: there are ALSO instances that even a prostitute becomes a SIKSA(INSTRUCTING) guru:
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This is the experience of Bilvamangala Thakura. He was a South Indian brahmana, very rich brahmana. But by bad association or something like that, he became a very staunch prostitute hunter. So he engaged all his income, money, everything, after one prostitute. Her name was Cintamani. So it is a very nice story. I am briefly describing. So one night… Every night he was to go to that prostitute, and one night it was very terribly raining. So the prostitute thought, “Now this night Bilvamangala is not coming. It is terribly raining.” But Bilvamangala went there, crossing the river, and the door was closed. He jumped over the door catching a snake. In this way, very dangerously, he reached the prostitute’s house. And the prostitute was astonished, that “How is this condition you could come here? Oh, you are so much attracted by this skin. If this much attraction you would have to Krsna, how it would have been nice for you.” So immediately he left the prostitute’s house and went to Vrndavana.
THE FACT IS IN HIS PREVIOUS LIFE HE EXECUTED DEVOTIONAL SERVICE UP TO BHAVA-BHAKTI. SO HIS CINTAMANI, THAT PROSTITUTE, BECAME HIS GURU, REMIND THAT “YOU ARE SO MUCH FOND OF PROSTITUTE. IF THIS ATTRACTION WOULD HAVE BEEN TO KRSNA, HOW MUCH SUCCESSFUL YOU WOULD HAVE…” SO IT ACTED, AND HE LEFT TO VRNDAVANA AND LIVED FOR SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS. So he has a book, Krsna-karnamrta, Bilvamangala Thakura. That is recommended by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu for reading, Krsna-karnamrta. So in that book he writes, bhaktis tvayi sthiratara bhagavan yadi syat: “If we have got fixed-up devotion unto You, my Lord, Bhagavan,” then daivena nah phalati divya-kisora-murtih, “then very easily we can see Your form,” divya-kisora-murtih, “Your divine form,” kisora-murtih, “very young boy.” Krsna is always kisora. Krsna’s another name is Kisora. Kisora-murtih. Kisora means kaisora, before marriage, before…, eleventh to sixteenth year. This is called kisora age. So kisora-murtih. Krsna is always kisora-murtih. So by devotional service, one can see the kisora-murtih of Krsna very easily. Bhaktis tvayi sthiratara bhagavan yadi syat: “If it is possible, then very easily we can see You.”

Adi 1.57 The Spiritual Masters

BILVAMANGALA THAKURA ACTUALLY ENTERED INTO THE TRANSCENDENTAL PASTIMES OF LORD KRSNA. He has recorded his transcendental experiences and appreciation in the book known as Krsna-karnamrta. IN THE BEGINNING OF THAT BOOK HE HAS OFFERED HIS OBEISANCES TO HIS DIFFERENT GURUS, AND IT IS TO BE NOTED THAT HE HAS ADORED THEM ALL EQUALLY. THE FIRST SPIRITUAL MASTER MENTIONED IS CINTAMANI, WHO WAS ONE OF HIS INSTRUCTING SPIRITUAL MASTERS BECAUSE SHE FIRST SHOWED HIM THE SPIRITUAL PATH. CINTAMANI WAS A PROSTITUTE WITH WHOM BILVAMANGALA WAS INTIMATE EARLIER IN HIS LIFE. SHE GAVE HIM THE INSPIRATION TO BEGIN ON THE PATH OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE, AND BECAUSE SHE CONVINCED HIM TO GIVE UP MATERIAL EXISTENCE TO TRY FOR PERFECTION BY LOVING KRSNA, HE HAS FIRST OFFERED HIS RESPECTS TO HER. NEXT HE OFFERS HIS RESPECTS TO HIS INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER, SOMAGIRI, AND THEN TO THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, WHO WAS ALSO HIS INSTRUCTING SPIRITUAL MASTER. He explicitly mentions Bhagavan, who has peacock feathers on His crown, because the Lord of Vrndavana, Krsna the cowherd boy, used to come to Bilvamangala to talk with him and supply him with milk. In his adoration of Sri Krsna, the Personality of Godhead, he describes that Jayasri, the goddess of fortune, Srimati Radharani, takes shelter in the shade of His lotus feet to enjoy the transcendental rasa of nuptial love. The complete treatise Krsna-karnamrta is dedicated to the transcendental pastimes of Sri Krsna and Srimati Radharani. It is a book to be read and understood by the most elevated devotees of Sri Krsna.

7) CHILD can be siksa guru.


Note: Yare dekhe quote did not make Sarasvati, small child of Symasundara, a Diksa guru – so HOW can they say this quote is Diksa guru Order?
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So these books, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, are there, and many other books, Puranas and others… They are simply describing the activities of Krsna so that you can understand Krsna. That… There is a verse in Caitanya-caritamrta: anadi bahirmukha jiva nahi jnana, krsna… Means “From, since a very, very long time, he has forgotten Krsna.” Just like anyone you can ask, in this country even, and what to speak of others, that “Do you know Krsna?” So you’ll find so many, I mean to say, major portion, people, will say, “No, we do not know what is Krsna.” JUST LIKE OUR SYAMASUNDARA’S DAUGHTER, SARASVATI. SHE PREACHES, “DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS KRSNA?” EVEN ONE KNOWS, BECAUSE HE (SHE) IS CHILD: “NO, NO. I DO NOT KNOW.” “OH, SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD,” SHE WILL SAY. She is so intelligent. She will say. So similarly, we can do. We can do Krsna’s service like this. EVEN A CHILD CAN DO. YOU GO. AS CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU SAYS, YARE DEKHA TARE KAHA KRSNA-UPADESA. THAT BECOMES… YOU BECOMES SPIRITUAL MASTER. If you take this vow, that “I’ll preach only Krsna,” then you are spiritual master. You become spiritual…

yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa

āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa

Just like that child, Sarasvati’s, preaching, “Do you know Krsna?” He says, “No.” “He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.” Simply say like that, “He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead,” and “Chant His holy name, Hare Krsna.” If you do this, then you are preacher; you are spiritual master. It is so nice. You don’t require to become very… Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa. He does not say that you become a learned Vedic scholar. That is the goal of Vedic scholarship. If you simply know that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then your Vedic study finished. You are M.A., doctor of Krsna philosophy, simply if you know this. You may not know in details, but if you simply believe, firmly convinced, that “Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is my master. He is my savior,” in this way, if you accept, then you become perfect, and you become liberated.